Thought in action is thinking. Thought is most of the time in movement. Those thoughts that are not in movement are crystallized as as knowledge. Knowledge is past but available for recall by mind which is the repository.
What about belief? Is it different from thought? How does belief arise? An issue arises which is new to you. You rummage your memory, if you don't find an explanation, you consult elders or experts who may know something about the subject. If you have the inclination, you may make a thorough investigation, hopefully unbiased. In this made rush of society, you have no time or inclination to do investigation on your own. The fact is, no time means, the issue is not a priority matter to spend time. So you depend on the opinion of elders and conform to their opinion. They in turn have a long tradition of such an opinion to advise you. For good or bad you accept it and carry on life that is faith based.
Even much of the scientific knowledge is basically belief oriented. It is a challenge to live a purely scientific life because your thinking should always be in a fluid state. For, if the thinking gets crystallized, it will be dead wood. The issue facing you is always new. The past will always be inadequate to confront the new.
You will see that even a belief in God is after all a thought. In temples, masjids and churches, we only worship thought, our own!
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Sir
October 22, 2009 by shiva999, 40 weeks 2 days ago
Comment id: 227
Sir,
Even I too did'nt told that 'Thought' means 'Present'.Any how u cleared
my doubt regarding to 'Past','Present' & 'Future' but I request u to clarify my
previous doubt clearly i.e. How can stable thoughts(thoughts which have no
movement)crystalized as knowledge?
Thoughts
October 26, 2009 by C.S.Moorthy, 39 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 229
The same question in a different way was raised by Akshay which I have answered elaborately.You need to realize that the very first thought in your life is 'I' thought. Thereafter, whatever you think is prejudiced by this 'I' thought. Whatever you see and do is with reference to this 'I'. This realization is fundamental to further understanding.Creation of this 'I' as different from rest of the universe is a great distortion and cause of illusion. When you accept 'I' as a reality you also accept whatever it promotes as reality. For Example, if it accepts the existence of God without verification of the fact, on the basis of belief dependent on a Book or the authority of elders, it is still not based on verified fact, and so a defective judgment. This belief is crystallized in our mind so long as 'I' operates.'I' operates from birth to death, unless you redeem it. There are people who are willing to lay down their life on this belief, eg., Jihades.For true progress this 'I' needs to be eschewed. Vivekachoodamani, Atma Bodha and many such treatises talk only of this issue at large. One needs to realize that 'You are the World.' In Sanskrit: Aham Brahmasmi.
Thought
October 21, 2009 by shiva999, 40 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 224
So 'Thinking' means 'Present' & 'No thinking' means 'Past'.Then what is 'Future'.Is it imagination? If so then thinking is there in imagination which implies 'Thinking' means 'Future'.Not only 'Present'.
Thought
October 21, 2009 by C.S.Moorthy, 40 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 225
I am afraid you are off the mark. I never said thought is the Present. Thinking could be in the present. There is an ocean of difference between THOUGHT and THINKING. As I said earlier, thinking is a movement and thought is embedded in the past. The thought may have arisen the last second or thirty years back, it does not matter, the effect is same. THOUGHT CONSOLIDATES THE EGO. Please see this happening in you, which is more important. Future is unborn yet. At best one can make a projection into the future. The projection is the outcome of thought. Thought seeks continuity, from past through prersent to future. Thinking has no past or future. It is here and now.
What, however, is most important to realize is, that attending to thinking, and being an integral part of the thinking is this Consciousness which is not EGO based. Thinking is the activity of the brain. It is a purely mechanical process.
A word of caution, though. We should not get lost in semantics. We will mistake the branches for the tree!
With love
Plz give example
October 18, 2009 by shiva999, 40 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 222
Sir,
U said "those thoughts that are not in movement are called 'Knowledge".Plz
give me an example regarding to the above sentence.
Thoughts
October 21, 2009 by C.S.Moorthy, 40 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 223
When you see an incident; a scene; or undergo an experience, you are in a state of EXPERIENCING that vision or deed. At that moment (perhaps a fraction of a second) there is no thought. Grammatically speaking you are in the PRESENT. Then thought makes an entry with past knowledge and experience on the event as stored in the memory. If it is not able to relate to any past knowledge or experience, it computes other possible solution to deal with the event. For example, I (Thought) will say what a satisfying experience, I should have more of it, let me return to same place and time to have more of it. The event has already become a past experience. Mind you, all this happens in a split second. You will not be able to observe these things happening unless you are watchful.
Past experience whether generated in the last moment as we saw above or thirty years back; or improvised from the knowledge gleaned from texts of authority all suffer the same malaise. We are trying to apply the past to a present event. Past is crystallized and the present is fluid. The principle just demonstrated applies to thought process also. So long as you are thinking, you are in the present, but the moment you stop and act, you bring in the past. The secret is at the point of action. If you revert back to ego based action you are in the trap of the past, but, if at that point your consciousness takes over you are acting independently.
Respect Sir,
October 21, 2009 by akshay_eanveshan, 40 weeks 3 days ago
Comment id: 226
Respect Sir,
firstly, I am still not able to grasp the difference between the two concepts,thought and belief, the only thing that with my very small understanding , I can visualize is, thought is something which comes to mind instantly all through the day,but belief is an aggregation of various thoughts and finally their collective resolution. If we have something in mind,then it is thought, and if it takes form of decision, then it is belief, please correct me where I am wrong.
Secondly, I would like to discuss one more different issue, which is can we relate religious rituals with Sanskars. I believe Sanskar( I beg pardon , but I dont know english counterpart) is taking care of olds, keeping people around us happy, not harming anyone in anyway. I read a article in newspaper, where author was saying that there should be right to decide spiritual inclination, means one should have right to decide whom to preach at maturity, Though this concept seems totally impossible, but has raised some deep questions for us. why do we always bind the term Sanskar with religion. In ancient times, when they speak of Dharma, did they really meant to practice worship of they meant to follow some guideline to have control over life and lifestyle.
Thought & Belief
October 26, 2009 by C.S.Moorthy, 39 weeks 6 days ago
Comment id: 228
According to our Indian system of philosophy, there are
Manas, Buddhi, and Chitta which are three separate faculties. Manas (Mind) controls and coordinates the Pancha
Indriyas . The Indriyas are: two eyes; two ears; nose; mouth and the body
including both hands and legs. The Indriyas gather sensation through seeing;
hearing; smelling; tasting and touching. The sensation is transmitted to the
brain (the instrument of Buddhi) through the mind. In return the mind receives
instruction for response from Buddhi . For adequate response Buddhi may seek
information from memory or Chitta. This is a mechanical activity in a
normal healthy person. Consider the example: You see a person on your way. The
moment you see the person you recognize him as your friend and act accordingly.
In that split second your system has undergone all the steps mentioned above.
So long as these three faculties operate we are not
disturbed. There is this fourth faculty AHAM which converts the purely
mechanical function to one of personal function. ‘I’ enters in the picture. In
fact this ‘I’ is the first thought in us. This thought drives us through out
our life. All we have to do in our life
is satisfy it’s wants; allay it’s fears and secure it from real or imagined
danger of it’s survival. This ‘I’ thought sees itself as separate from the
world. I AM different from everything else around me is the beginning of a
distortion and an illusion. Since it has divided itself from rest of the world
around, the ‘I’ has a tendency to divide everything it comes across. ‘I’ as we
said, is a thought, it drives our world. We begin our life with a drawback. Do
you see it?
To depend on this thought entirely is unreliable because it
gives a distorted view of the world. Yet all the profound philosophies;
religious books; great kingdoms; great monuments, things of desire and wants;
means of entertainment are all based on the thought alone. Where will it lead?
It will lead to division, confusion and conflict as we see around us and never
towards lasting values in life. This is the lesson Mahabaratha teaches us. Mahabaratha war took place 5100 years ago,
you can visualize that there were great people of Sanskar on both sides like
Bhisma Pitamaha; Vidur; Dhronacharya; and Kripa Charya on the Kaurava side; and
there were Dharmaraj and Krishna on the Pandava side, besides Veda Vyasa, yet the war was inevitable
because the divisive thought was at play in every instance. We are not talking
of a tradition of good conduct and behavior which is more a matter of common
sense.
The legacy of
religion and philosophy left behind by our ancestors is what we call Sanskar.
The Sanskar could be a day old or a thousand years old, it is the same thing.
It is the Establishment as coined in the modern social context. Sanskar is
tradition. This Sanskar or tradition builds an enclosure of four walls around
you and would like to make sure that you are imprisoned in it for all your
life. You are so used to it that even if you rebel, you will fall into the trap
some other way because your thoughts are oriented only for a traditional
outlook in life. You can never hope to be free, in the true sense of the word.
The phrase in Sanskrit is, you are forced to float in Samsara Sagara and not
attempt to come out. It is also comfortable. It gives many opportunities, why
will one wish to come out? Freedom on the other hand is very adventurous and
reward uncertain. If you consider this
Sanskar whether it is ancient philosophy and religion on one hand or modern
science on the other, is an edifice built on belief. It is another matter that
you find a belief no more valid and replace it with another one. It is yet
belief. We give a flavor to it by calling that it is Faith. The whole of Islam
and Christianity to a very large extent is based on this faith. After 12th
Century even Hinduism is largely influenced by faith.
What is belief? Consider
an example. Let us say, I accost you and ask you whether you know God? What
will you reply? Will you say, I don’t know, which the correct reply is. More
often you will not say that. You will say yes, I know there is God. Now
what is this knowledge? This knowledge is based on books. The book is a dead
thing. You give life to it by reading it and accept the contents thereof to
arrive at the conclusion. The book may be a latest one or it may be the oldest
Veda. Alternatively, religious authorities and your parents accepted the
proposition that there is God because their parents believed so in a hierarchy
that goes back to thousands of years. Yet it is a belief and not a fact. We
also do not have time to investigate the matter on our own so we accept the
line of least resistance! The man who
has seen God will not say so because he will become Bhagwan!
I am not advocating that you should shun Sanskar. All I say
is look at it at its true value in life. Let it not become a stumbling block in
intellectual advancement. You must have an open mind. You will be enriched in
the process.
Good Explanation
October 10, 2009 by shiva999, 42 weeks 18 hours ago
Comment id: 220
Sir,
Good explanation & I accept with u.
so very true
September 29, 2009 by Gowri, 43 weeks 4 days ago
Comment id: 210
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